Ride single file or else
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Delish
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Agree this should be attempted murder or at least aggravated assault. Natchez Trace administered by National Park Service so it would be a federal offense?
Also agree that some of the hatred of cyclists comes from behavior of a the few self-entitled roadies, but most drivers are going to hate cyclists either way. Fact is, drivers hate cyclists because they just as self-entitled if not more entitled than roadie pricks. To them, cyclists are not people, they are obstacles. The argument that if cyclists just acted more demure they would earn the respect of drivers and drivers would start giving cyclists the space they deserve is BS.
Agree with @stb222 that dudeman was way n the center of his lane, but he wasn't some do-rag-wearing Cat 6 roadie prick. He was just some dude going for his first bike ride in decades trying out clipless pedals. If a novice can't ride on a road designated by he federal government as bike route without getting assaulted by a car then where can he ride? Yeah, he probably should have been over to the right further but imagine if it was ok to stab somebody in the throat because they J-walked. That's essentially the "he deserved it" argument the anti-bike nuts make.
ilnadi
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I don't know which scenario is sadder/scarier:
- he's lying and would have gotten away with he-said-she-said except for the video
- he's telling the truth: he really had to cognition that a human was on the road and he hit said human
wonderturtle
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just repeating what I saw in the comments on line from people who seemed to know what they are talking about (i.e., they ride in the place). see the sign in Rusty's post.
but I agree with others - I would still keep single-file despite the signs that say I can do otherwise. too many a-hole drivers.
Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
That'll show em! You're just as bad as the dude driving the Volvo.
Monkey Soup
Angry Wanker
Right, because I need to sit in back of you while you discuss who’s bulge looks bigger in tights (correct answer - mine) or whatever you talk about at 12mph on a 45mph road. Shit, you guys even hold up the kids on mopeds.
And who drives a Volvo these days?
Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
You have proven to time and time again to have the brain capacity of a piece of plywood, so trying to explain this to you is pointless.
Monkey Soup
Angry Wanker
Explain what exactly? We all understand that vehicular manslaughter is wrong, but how is impeding vehicular traffic on a public road, because you need to talk with your buddy, justifiable? Please explain. Don’t use big words, so my small brain can follow.
Blair
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I think this is situational and there's overreaction both ways, and people need to be given the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the guy was in the car on the phone and it wasn't intentional. In the video the rider shouldn't be practically on the centerline, that's ridiculous and borderline asking for it, again we weren't there so maybe the sun glare threw him off for 10 seconds or maybe he was riding in the middle for 10 miles. In situations where there's a blind corner or maybe no shoulder(unable to move over or pass safely) the speed limit is a maximum, not a minimum like getting stuck behind a school bus for 30 seconds or these town workers that like to drive backhoes on county roads. You're just going to get stuck at the next red light or behind the next slow guy so it literally makes no difference.
Fat Trout
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two words.....avoidable accident. If the rules of the park even say "riders may take up the full lane" its even more the responsibility of the overtaking vehicle. Being a dick move by the rider one way or the other doesn't make it the least bit justafiable. Especially when the person didn't stop. Not saying you disagree with that point and as others have said, even more reason why I stay off the roads, have my lights/flashers going when I'm on them and overall stay ONLY on less traveled roads. Sad that this happened in general.
scenarios:
didn't see him
wanted to scare him
wanted to bump him
wanted to knock him off bike
wanted to hurt him
wanted to kill him.
so the most likely was scare him?? but most people don't know how wide their car is, and most don't have any
idea how fast people can go on a bike.
did driver intentionally hit cyclist?
nfw cyclist should have been that far out into the lane. doesn't mean ya hit him.
hard to get hit by lighting if you stay inside. not impossible, just unlikely.
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now i have to deal with electric cars that don't make any noise sneaking up on me.
once again i claim, cars need a bell - it would take us a month to get accustom to it.
self driving cars could use it. make it a little different than the standard bell, since it would
probably be a speaker - the radar on my car indicates people on the HUD. a quick ring would do it.
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i've seen cars risk head on collisions on blind corners passing me, rather than waiting 10 seconds.
how many people won't cross a double yellow, even if the other way is clear?
how many people look at the road over the hood of their car, and call that driving?
what about people that stop in an acceleration lane?
learn to zipper at a merge
decide they are doing something after the next car, no matter the situation (i waited long enough)
why can't people drive?
didn't see him
wanted to scare him
wanted to bump him
wanted to knock him off bike
wanted to hurt him
wanted to kill him.
so the most likely was scare him?? but most people don't know how wide their car is, and most don't have any
idea how fast people can go on a bike.
did driver intentionally hit cyclist?
nfw cyclist should have been that far out into the lane. doesn't mean ya hit him.
hard to get hit by lighting if you stay inside. not impossible, just unlikely.
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now i have to deal with electric cars that don't make any noise sneaking up on me.
once again i claim, cars need a bell - it would take us a month to get accustom to it.
self driving cars could use it. make it a little different than the standard bell, since it would
probably be a speaker - the radar on my car indicates people on the HUD. a quick ring would do it.
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i've seen cars risk head on collisions on blind corners passing me, rather than waiting 10 seconds.
how many people won't cross a double yellow, even if the other way is clear?
how many people look at the road over the hood of their car, and call that driving?
what about people that stop in an acceleration lane?
learn to zipper at a merge
decide they are doing something after the next car, no matter the situation (i waited long enough)
why can't people drive?
Karate Monkey
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Because it is both too easy to get a license in the USA, and too easy to keep one.
terrabike01
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If your breathing, can step on the gas and stop for a red light you'll be issued a license especially in NJ and NY. It's scary who's driving around during the day. And let's not get started with the distracted driving. They need to ban all cell phone use in cars. There's no need to be "connected" to your car.
Kaleidopete
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New York ticket YIKES! (not mine)
Listen for the tires, young jedi but lower speeds make this less effective.
There is no in between, I had someone pass me the other day, on the shoulder of the other side of the road, followed immediately by someone that was in the 3 feet. Such is life on the road.
Every once and awhile a car sneaks the f up on me but I am generally one of those people that knows where everything is on the road and what is around me. I also think people wearing head phones on the road is crazy.
You can get that garmin tailight that alerts you to something approaching, the downside is that the taillight has the smallest lights on the planet. GARMIN DESIGN FAIL.
it isnt...the wind noise over ~15-16mph drowns out most sound anyway...at least in the summer when im not wearing a hat/etc to cover my ears. That said I dont listen to anything thats blasting and drowns out all ambient noise either. I like to think of it as: "as loud as I would listen to the radio while driving in my car" Where I can hear the music, but I can also hear a horn/siren, etc.
Current New York State law includes the following penalties for distracted drivers:
- For a first offense, the minimum fine is $50 and the maximum is $200
- A second offense in 18 months increases the maximum fine to $250
- A third offense in 18 months results in a maximum fine of $450
- Probationary and junior drivers face a 120-day suspension of their license for a first offense, and one year revocation of their permit or license if a second offense is committed within six months.
http://www.nj.gov/oag/hts/phone_down_overview.html