Lance

BonsaiMTB said:
Sooner or later the TRUTH comes out..you can run you can hide..but everything eventually catches up to you...make your peace with god and if you inicent..you can rest peacefully at night.....
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i don't think it has anything to do with it. it's just a different hand these guys are dealt.

and let's not forget that with Lance (or Barry, or Mark or Rodger or....) that they aren't just rogue and doing this on their own. there are TEAMS of people involved in making the top athletes better.

i didn't see jim's comments from last week until just now...

jimvreeland said:
Lance is a jerk-bomb for sure but one thing we all are forgetting, doping doesn't turn a random shmuck like us into a multi-tour winner and world champ. You need to be a pretty darn good athlete and 95% of the way there for drugs to help you at all.

I remember a special about doping on Discovery Channel where Arnold Schwarzenegger said that steriods will make you be able to lift 1,050 pounds only if you can already lift 1,000 clean.

Not that I condone doping at all, but when you're talking about the kind of money these companies have tied up into their sponsored athletes, it really doesn't have anything to do with bike racing anymore. There's some bean counter in a room with a long table full of other bean counters trying to figure out how to get a bigger piece of the pie. Paying off officials and doctors is a drop in the hat for companies like Trek or Nike. Shit like this happens more than any of us will ever know. Hell, look at our government if you want to see the business model Nike stole.

-Jim.
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...but he's spot on.
 
"Lance is a jerk-bomb for sure but one thing we all are forgetting, doping doesn't turn a random shmuck like us into a multi-tour winner and world champ. You need to be a pretty darn good athlete and 95% of the way there for drugs to help you at all."
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Then why hadn't he won the tour prior to having his nutsack clipped? I won't deny his work ethic but this nonsense about how he's super talented because "in a sea of PED using cheaters he still bested them all is BS! He won so many tours because him and his team was the best funded, most corrupt and conniving of all the cheaters.
 
now let this be a lesson to all of you. IF you do PEDs but come clean, this can be your future:

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Interesting note to Lance from Tinker Juarez...whoever that is.🙄

Hi Lance,
First of all, I want you to know I love you. You are my favorite cyclist of all time. I say this because you have been an American hero not just for all the American cyclists, but for me. I know you have to be struggling through the obsession of the media right now - in this case, like attracts like. They are feeding on it. What I see is that you have touched everyone and in a good way. I am sorry for what has happened the way it has happened. It is what it is and no matter how angry folks are right now, they all need to see you rise above this, which you can do. My hope is that you will help repair. I just want you to know in my heart I appreciate what you have done for cycling and for every single person affected by cancer. Thank you Lance. And may peace be in your heart.
Tinker
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a.s. said:
Then why hadn't he won the tour prior to having his nutsack clipped? I won't deny his work ethic but this nonsense about how he's super talented because "in a sea of PED using cheaters he still bested them all is BS! He won so many tours because him and his team was the best funded, most corrupt and conniving of all the cheaters.
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It's best funded then and best funded now regardless of cheating. The stacked teams have the best chance of winning. The politician who spends the most wins the election. The yankees win the world series 20 something times. The only scenario where I have seen this repeatedly fail is the GODDAMN JETS.
 
Read a news article that he has to return all the winning purses. wow that must be some ton of $$$.

Whats your opinion on that? Should he have to give it all back?
 
mwlikesbikes said:
I think that the tradition with all the TDF winners is to divvy it up among all your teammates because he would be nowhere without them.
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its that $5M kicker he got for winning 6th that he used the courts to extract the money from the promoter (insurer) when they claimed it was drug aided. courts sided with lance.
 
I had some additional thoughts and then I read this message from Greg Lemond http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...eg-lemond-to-uci-president-pat-mcquaid_262523 - I think he summed it up pretty well.

Looking back over the years on Gregs' statements and actions he may have seemed jealous and even resentful towards Lance. Knowing what we know now I think he had it right all along and continues to hit the nail on the head. The whole situation is about money and power and the fact that the UCI has simply played the game. If you are taking Lance off the record books, take Ulrich, Pantani, Simeoni, Basso, Museuw, Contador, Schleck, I can keep going. You may as well take, Merckx and Anquetil off the lists. Let's face it, in sport at this level people have done and will continue to do whatever it takes to win. Not that it's right, but the people in charge let it happen because it sells tickets or advertising or merchandise. You need to go all the way to the TOP. Lance is both the sympton (a very powerful and deceptive one) and PART of the disease.

If someone is dumping shit in your yard you can smell it. McQuaid simply bought a lot of air freshener to cover up the smell.
 
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