Newer Trails
- Thread starter delvec23
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These trails are all rouge and should not be ridden please only ride the trails that are marked or on the map.
If we ride the rouge trails we risk having our access to the park cut off I know it's tough not to explore and ride the rouge stuff but a lot of these trails a: cut through active hunting spots and make the hunters upset and b: are not cut as sustainable trails and will just erode.
When we cut a new section of trail in the park there is a process we need to go through which includes site planing and meeting with the park for impact studies determining if we need to cut more trails ( this is where the rouge trails impact us ) if the park or state feels that there or enough miles of trail we will not get the ok to cut any. I realize this is a long reply but we are trying to work with 3 different user groups for park access and every time in any park we as the MTB group does any thing not sanctioned we fall further from grace.
If we ride the rouge trails we risk having our access to the park cut off I know it's tough not to explore and ride the rouge stuff but a lot of these trails a: cut through active hunting spots and make the hunters upset and b: are not cut as sustainable trails and will just erode.
When we cut a new section of trail in the park there is a process we need to go through which includes site planing and meeting with the park for impact studies determining if we need to cut more trails ( this is where the rouge trails impact us ) if the park or state feels that there or enough miles of trail we will not get the ok to cut any. I realize this is a long reply but we are trying to work with 3 different user groups for park access and every time in any park we as the MTB group does any thing not sanctioned we fall further from grace.
delvec23
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this was taken from the Allaire website......
"A network of trails winds through the park providing opportunities for hikers, mountain bikers and horseback riders. Several moderate hiking trails are in the main day use area of the park, accessible from the main parking area. The “South Side” area of the park is approximately 800 acres of varying terrain and has miles of unmarked trails as well as four primary marked multi-use trails. The South Side trails are accessible from a trail head at a large gravel parking lot located on Hospital Road."
Seems Allaire State Park warrants riding unmarked trails.
"A network of trails winds through the park providing opportunities for hikers, mountain bikers and horseback riders. Several moderate hiking trails are in the main day use area of the park, accessible from the main parking area. The “South Side” area of the park is approximately 800 acres of varying terrain and has miles of unmarked trails as well as four primary marked multi-use trails. The South Side trails are accessible from a trail head at a large gravel parking lot located on Hospital Road."
Seems Allaire State Park warrants riding unmarked trails.
we have almost lost access to a few parks due to rouge trail building. True the erosion has started to be an issue and we have rerouted a few spots to combat it case in point tiger woods had 3 reroutes to fix a few of the fall line down hill trails. We are always looking for help to deal with the trails that are eroding. try to remember for any of the parks we are guests of the state and can be asked to leave at any time.
wonderturtle
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You can either listen to the very guys that deal with the parks folks (who are telling you NOT to build rogue trails) or you can rely on your own (very likely mistaken) interpretation of a paragraph on a website. Your choice.
Btw...did you ever consider that there might be a difference between unmarked vs rogue trails?
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SmooveP
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Serious question from someone who rides at Allaire infrequently: How does one tell the difference?
The trail map that is up here and also on the JORBA site is the most up to date and shows the marked and unmarked trails I would ask to stay off any trails that are not on that map. The trails that are on the map are known by the park as established. Some of the unmarked trails are older trails that are rerouted with sustainable single track. I am sure if you have spent any time at Allaire you know a lot of the original trails and by that I mean the stuff that is on the Allaire Website as unmarked are the old fire breaks and jeep roads they are all now double track and very washed out sandy trails.
wonderturtle
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its a good question.
but the point I was trying to make is that the OP seems to think that since the Park System acknowledges the presence of existing unmarked trails that they also, then, endorse the creation of new rogue trails without their consent.
we are being told (by the people that would know) that that is simply not true.
riding trails that arent officially marked (e.g., see Mike's point above) is one thing (THAT is acknowledged by the Park System)....NOT going out to Allaire and cutting new trails without their approval.
btw, Smooth, I understand you realize this....clearly the OP needs to have this explained clearly.
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SmooveP
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I understand the principle, but when I'm out there trying to find my way around it's hard to tell. From past experience, if the rogue trails aren't blocked off fairly early, they tend to become "permanent".
The park system has blocked and put signs up on rouge trails like this one which are promptly taken down. It is not really JORBA or ATUG's place to be the trail police the only thing we can hope for is that people do not to ride the rogue trails and let them be reclaimed. We did go in 3 years ago and close a trail down that went through a hunting spot. This was done to keep the peace between the MTB users and the hunters. remember the hunters pay a fee to the state to be able to hunt. Not trying to beat a dead horse or argue just trying to explain things.
The easiest way to tell if a trail is rogue or not is to look how it is laid out if it goes through the swampy areas or is a straight fall line trail it has not been cut by the park or us. When we do a reroute or put a trail in it is put in to IMBA specs plus we will not ramp up 6 inch logs with rotted pine sticks nor make jumps by packing sand into a pile of sticks.
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delvec23
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This was my point. By no means am I going out to carve new trails, you need motor cycles and power tools to do so. Someone is doing it though because you see the remnants of it. But all Im saying is that there are new trails out there. and some of them are already named and marked on my GPS App.....Anyways, I love Allaire, Especially this time of year. I see what you did with the switchbacks and its a lot better. Is jorba allowed to build obstacles? I see a lot of trails down south (Pisgah/Dupont) in NC that have bridges, planked berms, etc........
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We normally do not build features due to insurance reasons as for bridges there really is no trails that we maintain that need them and when a bridge is needed as long as it is a valid trail the park will help out as they did with the bridge on the river trail. You will notice how over built that is it is like that to support the horses, that is another consideration with Allaire it is a multi-use park so 90% of the trails are used by horses as well as hikers and cyclists. In fact all the groups show up through out the TM season to give a hand. When we do have a log over we will put a go around in as well. we also do not have the terrain for a lot of features we do however have the pump track up north and of course there is Diablo downhill park.